Nomination queries

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Nominations continue until 29 June!

First up, when nominating, please follow the nomination guidelines, including the disambiguation at the end of the tag.

Secondly, I have nominations for The Last of Us and The Last of Us Part I. I know that Part II came out a couple of days ago - how do you want to do this?

Thirdly, I'd like to know in terms of Assassin's Creed whether it should be split or grouped together. If it is to be split, how should it be split?

Finally, I have a nomination for Pokemon - AMT with nominations for Black and White, X and Y, and Sword and Shield. Are these all in continuity with one another?

Queries remain open until the the 27th, so please if you have a view about issues 2 and 3, let me know. Anonymous comments are screened unless your AO3 name is included in the comment, but I do read all comments.

Comments

Assassin's Creed

[asymptotically]

It makes sense to me to split Assassin's Creed. The vast majority of the gametime, to the point that you can easily forget that the modern storyline exists even as a briefly introduced framing device, is in very different settings with very different characters. I don't think the modern storylines of the new games even share characters with the Desmond era modern storylines (if they do, they were brief enough appearances that I do not remember them) so that connection is even more tenuous than it has been. Basically the only thing connecting most of the assassin's creed games to one another is the idea of the Isu and Abstergo and some easter egg appearances. It's become less of a modern storyline and more of a modern framing device since about AC3.

The only ones I would argue for combining are the Ezio Trilogy, since those three games do share characters in both the animus and modern storylines. Or the Heritage Collection (The Ezio Trilogy & AC1 & AC3) since those games are the ones where the modern storyline had a storyline with Desmond.


So I would say split:

Early games:
Option 1) All as one collection containing AC1, AC2, Brotherhood, Relevations, and AC3.
Option 2)AC1
Ezio Trilogy
AC3

The rest of the games:
All split. Only two of these even share a modern character and otherwise the only link is bloodline based and easter eggs.

Re: Assassin's Creed

[tkodami]

I agree with these splits! I would be fine with splitting it any of the above ways, though I think these would be my preference:

1) Via the main character of the (historical part of the) game. Therefore: AC 1, Ezio Trilogy, AC3, all of the rest of the games separately

2) Via the main character of modern storyline. Therefore: Desmond storyline (AC1, AC2, AC:Brotherbood, AC:Revelations, AC3), then all of the rest of the games separately*

*note: I haven't played later AC games aside from AC: Origins, so I don't even know if any of the future games share overlapping modern protagonists! My apologies if I've made a mistake anywhere.

Re: Assassin's Creed

[thedevilchicken]

I'd probably go with splitting by main character in the historical part. This is mostly because:

a) 1, the Ezio Trilogy and 3 are pretty different games, only really linked by Desmond

b) the modern main character in Unity/Syndicate is an unnamed "Initiate" who doesn't appear on screen and is presumably the player, and the modern MC in Origins/Odyssey is Layla (who appears for about 30 minutes combined over both games, if that) - linking Unity and Syndicate, and Origins and Odyssey, would feel really weird!

The questions I have are: how would people want to treat crossovers between games, and where would you nominate modern day ships?

Re: Assassin's Creed

[asymptotically]

Oh those are good questions.

I would definitely want the modern pairings to be kept with their games. Splitting them off adds too many questions, especially since it's pretty popular to ship the modern character with the historical character of that game. There's only a few pairings that would affect anyways (and only really in the Desmond era games) so splitting it out would probably make more issues than it solves.

I think crossovers should go into Crossover Fandom. If you look at the current tagset, most of Crossover Fandom is currently Final Fantasy/Final Fantasy. It wouldn't seem fair to give AC a special crossover fandom when crossovers for other games of the same series are in Crossover Fandom.

Re: Assassin's Creed

[lessened]

I'd do Desmond-Era (AC1, Ezio's stuff, AC3, Black Flag, Freedom Cry, Liberation, Rogue), Unity, Syndicate, Origins, Odyssey. There's a cohesion to the games pre-Unity, and while Shaun and Rebecca do briefly briefly appear in Syndicate, anything requesting Desmond in that era could still go in Desmond-Era while mentioning wanting the later timeline.

There's a chunk of fans who've only played Origins and Odyssey who won't really request outside that, so they should have their own little boxes. There's a cohesion to the stories before the next-gen plot retconning and reshuffling mess re: Juno that were the games post-Syndicate, but Unity and Syndicate should be separate to encourage separate nominations rather than grouping them where they'd be overshadowed by Origins and Odyssey or the Desmond games.